~nara jikken

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if it's cold, i won't go out.
samui nara, soto he ikitaku arimasen.

if it's raining, i'll need an umbrella.
ame ga futte imasu nara, amagasa wo irimasu.

if you like it too, let's go.
anata mo suki, ikimashou.

as for mother, she didn't come yet.
haha nara, mada kimasen deshita yo.

as for that restaurant, it's very expensive.
ano resutoran nara, totemo takai desu.

there's a pen and a notebook on the table. is it your notebook? and could it be that the pen belongs to suzuki-san?
pen to nooto wa teeburu no ue desu. anata no nooto desuka? soushite, pen nara, moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?
Jan 25th 2011 23:40 風アンディ

see how i left out nara in example 3? i wonder why nara is being used if it's not needed. or rather, when to use it, and when to omit.
Jan 25th 2011 23:48 たくや

  • samui nara, soto he ikitaku arimasen.
  • Ok, but I think "samukattara" is better.

 

  • ame ga futte imasu nara, amagasa wo irimasu.
  • ame ga futte iru nara, amagasa ga irimasu.

 

  • anata mo suki, ikimashou.
  • anata mo suki nara, ikimashou. (OK. but I think it's a little strange.."anata mo yorosikereba" is better, but maybe difficult.

 

  • haha nara, mada kimasen deshita yo.
  • haha nara, mada kite imasen yo

 

  • soushite, pen nara, moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?
  • soushite, pen ha, moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?

 
Jan 25th 2011 23:59 風アンディ
how comes that there's wa instead of nara in the last sentence? there seem to be nouances i don't quite get yet.
thanks for the corrections ;)
i need to look into the ~kereba thing, had it only in conjunction with naranai so far.
Jan 26th 2011 01:08 arikoann
"nara" has "if..." nuance or indication. I think in this case, "wa(ha)" the topic maker is good to use because the speaker wants to mention the pen especially. No assumption(if) here.
Jan 26th 2011 01:16 風アンディ
aah, i see.
so it all comes down to "if ... then", even when using it like wa. i think i got it now. thank you for the explanation! :)
Jan 26th 2011 00:03 kr

I think amagasa and kasa both of word are OK.
because "kasa" means usually "amagasa".
watashi ha eigo ga heta desune :p
Jan 26th 2011 00:10 風アンディ
iie, wakarimashita yo :)
i didn't know the word for umbrella, so i looked it up and came up with amagasa. thanks for listing kasa ;)
Jan 26th 2011 12:38

  • samui nara, soto he ikitaku arimasen.
  • samui nara, soto he ikitaku arimasen.samukattara, sotoni ikitaku arimasen.

 

  • ame ga futte imasu nara, amagasa wo irimasu.
  • ame ga futte imasu nara, amagasa wo irimasu.ame ga futte itara, kasa ga irimasu.

 

  • anata mo suki, ikimashou.
  • anata mo suki, ikimashou.anata mo suki nara, ikimashou.

 

  • haha nara, mada kimasen deshita yo.
  • haha nara, mada kimasen deshita yo.haha ha mada kiteimasen.

 

  • ano resutoran nara, totemo takai desu.
  • ano resutoran nara, totemo takai desu.ano resutoran ha totemo takai desu.

 

  • soushite, pen nara, moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?
  • soushite, pen nara, moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?kono pen ha moshikashite suzuki-san no desuka?

 
Great work!
Jan 26th 2011 23:23 風アンディ
thank you ;) i still have a long road to go ^^
i knew samukatta (was cold), what exactly is samukattara?
Jan 27th 2011 05:35
No, it was nothing. Almost there with me.

samukattara=if it is cold... believe it or not,
we Japanese use the same た of "past" tense in if-clause
even when you would like to say about a future event in it like...

ashita moshi "samukattara" gakkou niha ikanai. もし明日寒かったら学校には行かない = if it is "cold tomorrow", I won't go to school.

Because of this, I often make mistakes to use past sense in an English if-clause about future. Orz (this is the famous character in Japan meaning a guy knocked down to the ground by shock or disappointment)
Jan 27th 2011 05:52 風アンディ
oh, i see. ~kattara = if it was. that's good to know :) i knew there were conjugations apart from what i'd expect, but this one's very useful. arigatou gozaimashita!
i need to train that!

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