Japanese hospitality can annoy you

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When I was a university student, I would give school kids private lessons to make money. I usually went to his/her house and gave him/her a two-hour lesson. When I started giving a student a lesson at 4 pm, for example, his/her mother always came to the room around 6 pm where my student and I studied. Do you guess why? The mother would take a piece of cake and a cup of tea or things like that to me. Even though she paid enough money for the lesson to me, she would serve them every time I gave a lesson. Her attitude toward me is pretty common. As a matter of fact, when you visit a Japanese friend's house even without notice, you will be usually served a cup of tea and some snacks without being asked if you'd like them. Due to this custom, Japanese people often take some snacks or sweets with them when they visit someone's house. These are our costumes based on our hospitality.

When I lived in Malaysia, I had an Australian friend who gave private lessons to Japanese people at their houses. She would be sometimes annoyed by being served a cup of tea and so on to her without being asked. She told me that she would find it difficult to decline the offer under some circumstances. When I lived in China, I would sometimes ask a Chinese massager--she often visited Japanese customers' houses to massage them--to come to my house. One day, while massaging me, she asked me why Japanese people tried to serve a cup of tea or some snacks to her even though they paid for her massage. She wondered how she should deal with the offer and decline it when she didn't want it. When I have dinner with my foreign people, I often notice that they feel uncomfortable with being served by their Japanese friends. In ordinary Japanese restaurants, a dish is often served on a big plate and is placed on the center of a table. You can take some from the dish if you want. If you cannot reach the dish, you can ask someone to take some for you. However, some Japanese try to serve food despite you not asking them to do so. They also try to offer to pour beer into your glass.

To be honest, I'm sometimes annoyed by being insistently served drinks and snacks at someone's house even though I decline them with thanks. When I notice that someone takes umbrage with me not accepting his/her offer, I'm reluctant to eat the snacks served. In restaurants, I often feel uncomfortable with being served by my friends etc since I want to enjoy meal at my own pace. It also can disturb my conversation with others. In my opinion, the hospitality that makes feel others uncomfortable is not real Japanese hospitality ( reference: http://lang-8.com/33465/journals/567741 ) even though it's seemingly polite. These offers are intrusive and hypocritical even though people do that with good intention. People who always offer such surface hospitality do that just to satisfy themselves, although some people believe that the hospitality will make everyone feel happy.

Sorry. This entry is long enough. I'll talk about what Japanese hospitality is and how I deal with the hypocrisy in the next entry.
Jul 28th 2010 02:01 ニコニコ

I know how you feel! Because my house has no food, I am always hungry. Whenever I go to my friend's house, his mom always serves stuff and when I decline she brings it anyway^^; She knows that I am hungry, so she doesn't care if I want it or not, and I always end up having to eat whatever she brings, regardless of whether or not I like it^^; It is a very difficult situation, but I appreciate her efforts and loving care^^
Jul 28th 2010 02:04 Josef

I can see how that would be annoying because that is looked at as 'too forward' to [Americans], just as many people coming in Japan are also 'too forward' by doing other things outside the culture.

In reality I think most people would easily say 'Thank you so much, I'll enjoy this later.'

Oh but also, I am a waiter at a Chinese restaurant, so I often go to parties with all of the waiters and waitresses of all the other restaurants, and they're all from China. They do the food-giving thing, which for me, who is an extremely picky eater, is a little stressful.

But yeah conclusion is that this so-called 'annoyance' is nothing negative upon one's character.
Jul 28th 2010 02:08 拓零

  • When I started giving a student a lesson at 4 pm, for example, his/her mother always came to the room around 6 pm where my student and I studied.
  • When I started giving a student a lesson at 4 pm, for example, his/her mother always came to the room around 6 pm where my student and I studied. [ No need for that, it is already assumed/known.]

 

  • Do you guess why?
  • Do you guess why? Why is that?

 

  • The mother would take a piece of cake and a cup of tea or things like that to me.
  • His/her mother would take bring a piece of cake and a cup of tea or things like that to me.

 

  • Even though she paid enough money for the lesson to me, she would serve them every time I gave a lesson.
  • Even though she paid enough money for the lesson to me my lessons , she would always serve them every time I gave a lesson.

 

  • Her attitude toward me is a pretty common.
  • Her attitude toward me is a pretty common.

 

  • As a matter of fact, when you visit a Japanese friend's house even without notice, you will be usually served a cup of tea and some snacks without being asked if you'd like them.
  • As a matter of fact, when you visit a Japanese friend's house even without notice, you will be usually served a cup of tea and some snacks without being asked if you'd like them. [Already stated.]

 

  • Due to this custom, Japanese people often take some snacks or sweets with them when they visit someone's house.
  • Due to this custom, Japanese people often take some snacks or sweets with them when they visit someone else's house.

 

  • These are our costumes based on our hospitality.
  • These are our the Japanese habits costumes based on our hospitality.

 

  • When I lived in Malaysia, I had an Australian friend who gave private lessons to Japanese people at their houses.
  • When I lived in Malaysia, I had an Australian friend who gave private lessons to Japanese people at their houses.

 

  • She would be sometimes annoyed by being served a cup of tea and so on to her without being asked.
  • She would be sometimes be annoyed when she was by being served a cup of tea or sweets and so on to her without warning being asked.

 

  • She told me that she would find it difficult to decline the offer under some circumstances.
  • She told me that she would find found it difficult to decline the offer under some circumstances.

 

  • In China, I would sometimes ask a massager--she often visited Japanese customers' houses to massage them--to come to my house.
  • In China, I would sometimes ask a massager--she often visited Japanese customers' houses to massage them--to come to my house. [Doesn't make sense...]

 

  • When I have dinner with my foreign people, I often notice that they feel uncomfortable with being served by their Japanese people.
  • When I have dinner with my foreign people friends, I often notice that they feel uncomfortable with being when they are served by their Japanese people.

 

  • However, some Japanese try to serve food despite you not asking them to do so.
  • However, some Japanese try to serve food despite you not being asking them to do so.

 

  • They also try to offer to pour bear into your glass.
  • They will also try to offer to pour bear into your glass.

 

  • To be honest, I'm sometimes annoyed by being insistently served drinks and snacks at someone's house even though I decline them with thanks.
  • To be honest, I'm sometimes annoyed by being because they insistently served drinks and snacks at someone's house even though when I decline. them with thanks.

 

  • In restaurants, I often feel uncomfortable with being served by my friends etc since I want to enjoy meal at my own pace.
  • In restaurants, I often feel uncomfortable with being served by my friends etc since I want to enjoy my meal at my own pace.

 

  • In my opinion, the hospitality that makes feel others uncomfortable is not real Japanese hospitality ( reference: http://lang-8.com/33465/journals/567741 ) even though it's seemingly polite.
  • In my opinion, the hospitality that makes feel others uncomfortable is not real Japanese hospitality, ( reference: http://lang-8.com/33465/journals/567741 ) even though it's seemingly polite.

 

  • People who always offer such surface hospitality do that just to satisfy themselves, although some people believe that the hospitality will make everyone feel happy.
  • People who always offer such surface such hospitality do that just to satisfy themselves, although some people believe that the hospitality will make everyone feel happier.

 

  • Sorry.
  • I'm Sorry.

 

  • I'll talk about what Japanese hospitality is and how I deal with the hypocrisy in the next entry.
  • I'll talk about what Japanese hospitality is and how I deal with this hypocrisy in the next entry.

 
Wow that was long. Hope this helps :D
Jul 28th 2010 02:08 minicat

  • I usually went to his/her house and gave him/her a two-hour lesson.
  • I usually went to their house and gave them a two-hour lesson.

 

  • When I started giving a student a lesson at 4 pm, for example, his/her mother always came to the room around 6 pm where my student and I studied.
  • When I started giving a student a lesson at 4 pm, for example, their mother always came to the room around 6 pm where my student and I studied.

 

  • Do you guess why?
  • Can you guess why?

 

  • The mother would take a piece of cake and a cup of tea or things like that to me.
  • The mother would bring a piece of cake and a cup of tea or things like that to me.

 

  • Her attitude toward me is a pretty common.
  • Her attitude toward me is a pretty common.

 

  • These are our costumes based on our hospitality.
  • These are our customs based on our hospitality.

 

  • These offers are intrusive and hypocritical even though people do that with good intention.
  • These offers are intrusive and hypocritical even though people are doing it with good intention.

 
Interesting series of articles you are making here. In England we also will offer tea or coffee to visitors. If the person and their preferences are known, you might also get a cup of tea or coffee appear magically. But typically you are asked and the answer is taken seriously.
Jul 28th 2010 02:12 タンナ

  • Do you guess why?
  • Do Canyou guess why?

 

  • She would be sometimes annoyed by being served a cup of tea and so on to her without being asked.
  • <meta charset="utf-8">he wouldbe sometimes sometimes get  annoyed by being served a cup of teaand so on to her by someone else without being asked first.* 1.This makes the sentence clearer. There is no need to put 'and so on' when the entire topic of your entry is about being served tea, snacks etc. The reader is usually able to infer that you are talking about other things included with being served tea. 2. It sounds more natural to say we 'get annoyed' rather than to 'be annoyed' in this case*

 

  • When I have dinner with my foreign people, I often notice that they feel uncomfortable with being served by their Japanese people.
  • When I have dinner with my foreign  friends , I often notice that they feel uncomfortable with being served by their Japanese people. *If you are speaking about foreign people in general, you can also say, " When I have dinner with foreign people, ..." When you use the word 'my' with 'people', it kind of sounds like you are a king and you are ruling 'your people'. :D

 

  • However, some Japanese try to serve food despite you not asking them to do so.
  • However, some Japanese will try to serve you  fooddespite  not being asked  to do so.*1. I put 'will' to make it clear that they will attempt to serve you the food. 2. Writing only 'serve food' in this sentence makes it sound like they are going all over the restaurant and serving everyone food, so I added 'you'.

 

  • They also try to offer to pour bear into your glass.
  • They also try to offer to pour beer into your glass.

 
はじめまして
Wow, your English is impeccable! (I am sure you hear that a lot too... ^.^;;)

When I studied abroad in Japan, I noticed the same thing, and since I didn't know much about how to properly decline such offers in Japanese, I just ate/drank whatever was served to me.

But, I don't know if it is really hypocritical.... just part of a social custom (albeit, one that makes people feel uncomfortable, though. >.<)

Regardless, if I see people are serving me because they are appreciative of some kind of service that goes beyond a simple monetary transaction, then I am grateful.

In other words, people pay because they have to.... but maybe they do a little extra because they think a good relationship between people is deeper than just the dollars they get paid.

Hehh... maybe I am too optimistic though... ^.^;;

よろしくお願いいたします
Jul 28th 2010 13:30 小さい魔女 TheLittleWitch

大勢で食べる時に食べ物を取り分けてくれるのは
ほとんど全て女性です。
「女性はかいがいしく周りの人の世話を焼くべき」という
日本社会特有の縛りにかかっているのかもしれないなあ、と
Snoopyさんの日記を読んで思いました。
Jul 28th 2010 14:45 Snoopy

★Hi ニコニコ
I'm glad that you came to my page again and read my entry.

>She knows that I amhungry, so she doesn't care if I want it or not, and I always end up having to eat whatever she brings,regardless of whether or not I like it^^
This sounds good. She knows your situation and cares about you. I think that our situations we often encounter are a little different. I'll talk about it in the next entry.

★Hi Josef
Nice to meet you. Thank you for reading my entry and leaving comment.

>I can see how that would be annoying because that is looked at as 'too forward' to [Americans]
I think that if hospitality is looked at as too forward to someone, the hospitality is not real one, at least not real Japanese hospitality.

>In reality I think most people would easily say 'Thank you so much, I'll enjoy this later.'
In our society, people often find it difficult to say that, which is a problem.

★Hi Zesty
Nice to meet you. Thank you for reading my entry and making corrections. Your corrections are helpful. I'm very sorry that long entry. I really appreciate you taking your time for me. I would be happy if you could come to my page again when you have time.

★Hi minicat
Thanks for your help. I'm glad that you enjoy this topic.

>.If the person and their preferences are known, you might also get a cup of tea or coffee appear magically.But typically you are asked and the answer is taken seriously.
This's very good. Here, you often aren't asked. Even if you are asked you will often find it difficult to say no thanks. Even if you can say no thanks, some people won't take it seriously, assuming that the declinature is a humility attitude. This is annoying. I'll talk about it in the next entry.

★Hi タンナ
Nice to meet you. Thank you for reading my entry and making corrections. I would be happy if you could come to my page again when you have time.

>your English is impeccable!
Really? Thanks for your compliment, anyway.

> I don't know if it is really hypocritical.... just part of a social custom.
Yes, this is just part of a social custom. I know the word "hypocritical" is too strong. However, some situations make me feel that. I'll talk about it in the next entry.

>f I see people are serving me because they are appreciative of some kind of service thatgoes beyond a simple monetary transaction, then I am grateful. In other words, people pay because they have to.... but maybe they do a little extra because they think agood relationship between people is deeper than just the dollars they get paid.
I do agree with you. I think that it would be better if people give others an opportunity to decline their offers. It would be also better if people don't expect others to serve something to them. I'll talk about it in the next entry.

こちらこそ宜しくお願いします。

★小さい魔女さん
コメントありがとうございます。

>「女性はかいがいしく周りの人の世話を焼くべき」という日本社会特有の縛りにかかっているのかもしれないなあ
私が働き始めた頃(かなり前です)に比べれば、会社の飲み会などでは若手男性社員が取り分けたりするようになったと思いますが、社会全体を見れば、そういう縛りがまだ残っていると思います。
Jul 28th 2010 21:19 kathrynoh

  • Do you guess why?
  • Do you guess why? - you could say "Do you know why?" or "can you guess why?" but not "do you guess?"

 

  • Even though she paid enough money for the lesson to me, she would serve them every time I gave a lesson.
  • Even though she paid enough money for the lesson to me, she would serve them every time I gave a lesson.= OK

 

  • These are our costumes based on our hospitality.
  • These are our customs based on our hospitality.

 

  • When I lived in China, I would sometimes ask a Chinese massager--she often visited Japanese customers' houses to massage them--to come to my house.
  • When I lived in China, I would sometimes ask a Chinese masseuse (or massage therapist) --who often visited Japanese customers' houses --to come to my house. For occupations like massage therapy, "client" is more common that customer. Actually I think client is mostly used if you are offering a service, rather than selling goods.

 

  • To be honest, I'm sometimes annoyed by being insistently served drinks and snacks at someone's house even though I decline them with thanks.
  • To be honest, I'm sometimes annoyed by being served drinks and snacks insistently at someone's house even though I politely decline.

 
My friend is a gardener and he often gets a drink or snack bought out to him while he's working. I think the older generation in Australia are more like to this with people working in their home. I never do because often I'm paying by the hour!

I got really angry once because I was moving to a new house and my mother was supervising the removalists. They were very expensive but she kept making them cups of tea and they hadn't done much work! It cost me a lot of money.

When guests visit, it is standard hospitality here to offer them a drink (or choice of drinks) not always a snack. If I offered a snack, I might put some things (biscuits or slices of cake) on a plate to share. That way the visitors can help themselves (or not - without feeling pressured).
Jul 29th 2010 00:35 Snoopy

Hi kathrynoh
Thanks for your help.

Although many Japanese people serve a cup of tea and snacks(not always) to gardeners etc, I think they usually serve them when they finish working.

>They were very expensive but she kept making them cups of tea and they hadn't done much work!
Sorry about that, but to be honest, I couldn't help but laugh. Sorry. As for removalists, I remember that my mother served drinks and lunch box?? snacks?? to them during a lunch break. After everything was done, she gave them a sort of tip. It was pretty common at the time. Now, the moving company clearly informs customers that they won't accept tip etc before they start working. However, we sometimes give a bottle of water etc to them during a break. It depends on the situation though.

>When guests visit, it is standard hospitality here to offer them a drink (or choice of drinks) not always a snack.
When guests (not visitors) visit, we usually offer them a drink and some snacks.

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