Violent Students

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According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was the worst record. I believe that is mainly for the following two reasons:

One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, moreover to indulge, their children more than it was in the past. As a result, children do not behave themselves not only in public but also in their school.

The other is that teachers nowadays cannot inflict any physical punishment on their students. Even if a student commit a serious crime like obstructing a class, teachers cannot punish him or her because of several complex circumstances. The only thing they can do is "direct" him or her to quit the deed.

Good education including moderate discipline is very important to keep the cultural level of the people in any country. I hope the present situation of the schools in Japan will improve in the future.
Dec 01st 2009 02:53 tony

  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was the worst record.
  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was the worst record. [The phrase "the students from primary school to high school" sounds awkward in English. Alternative: "... crimes caused by students in primary schools, middle schools and high schools"]

 

  • One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, moreover to indulge, their children more than it was in the past.
  • One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, moreover to indulge, their children more than it was in the past. [Two verb phrases with the same subject, one of which is affirmative, one negative, sounds awkward-- I mean the phrases "tend not to discipline" and "to indulge." It is also unclear whether the verb "tend" applies to the verb phrase "to indulge" as well. Alternative phrasing: "One is that recent parents tend not to discipline their children. In fact, they tend to indulge them more than in the past."]

 

  • As a result, children do not behave themselves not only in public but also in their school.
  • As a result, children do not behave themselves not only in public, but also in their schools.

 

  • Even if a student commit a serious crime like obstructing a class, teachers cannot punish him or her because of several complex circumstances.
  • Even if a student commits a serious crime like obstructing a class, teachers cannot punish him or her because of several complex circumstances. ["Crime" is used for much more serious actions than this.]

 

  • The only thing they can do is "direct" him or her to quit the deed.
  • The only thing they can do is "direct" him or her to stop.

 

  • Good education including moderate discipline is very important to keep the cultural level of the people in any country.
  • Good education, including moderate discipline, is very important to keep up the cultural level of the people in any country.

 
So you're saying that students are violent because teachers are not allowed to be violent?

I disagree strongly; when authority figures like teachers use violence, it teaches their students to be violent as well. Teachers should be role models of wiser ways of resolving conflicts. Striking someone is a very bad way to teach self-discipline, in my opinion.
Dec 01st 2009 02:59 tony

  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was the worst record.
  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was worse than in any other year.

 
すみません。I forgot to say that your English is extremely good. You communicated your opinion with great clarity. ;-)

It's unfortunate that our opinions on this matter are diametrically opposed.
Dec 01st 2009 03:37 Lapistein

>tony
Thanks for your corrections, and comments! I can a lot from your paraphrases.

I'm afraid if you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I'd like to tell you that the phrase "physical punishment" in this entry means one of the ways in disciplining children in Japan. That is called "躾"(Shituke), different from being violent.
Also, after physical punishments was too criticized, the number of the violent student crimes have been drastically increasing in Japan. The data shows the fact.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20091130-00001030-yom-soci.view-000

Also, I'm glad that you said my English is good. Thanks again :)
Dec 01st 2009 08:21 tony

Lapistein-san,

With all due respect, we do simply disagree on this issue. To my mind, physical punishment is violence, whether or not it is commonly regarded as such. There are other ways of teaching both children and older people to behave properly.

Two criticisms of that graph, which purports to "prove" that reduced physical punishment in the schools CAUSED the increase in episodes of violence:

(1) Those statistics report a correlation, and deduce a causal relationship. This would only be convincing if all other factors relevant to the question had remained the same, which of course, they haven't.

(2) Even if there is a causal connection, one can argue that that is because educators who have relied on physical punishment as a tool in the past have not been clever enough to find more effective ways of teaching discipline to replace them.

In order to make a compelling argument for your contention that physical punishment in schools is the best, or only, solution to the problem, you would need to make a survey of how this problem is handled in other cultures, and show that other methods of discipline have not been successful. I believe you would find that this is not the case.
Dec 01st 2009 19:19

  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by the students from primary school to high school in 2008 was the worst record.
  • According to a report issued by MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology), the number of violent crimes caused by primary and high school students in 2008 was worst on record.

 

  • One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, moreover to indulge, their children more than it was in the past.
  • One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, but indulge their children more than they did in the past.

 
Hello Lapistein さん, good English ^^

I believe that the media is the main culprit inciting violence in angry youngsters nowadays.
Dec 02nd 2009 13:13 mintchip

  • I believe that is mainly for the following two reasons:
  • I believe that this is mainly for the following two reasons: [or "I believe that this is/was caused by the following (two) factors:"]

 

  • One is that recent parents tend not to discipline, moreover to indulge, their children more than it was in the past.
  • One is that recently parents tend not to discipline, but instead indulge their children more than in the past.

 
Another interesting and well written entry!
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Personally, I think that it is the parents' responsibility to punish their children (physically or otherwise). At all of the schools I attended, none of the teachers had the ability to physically punish the children. We could be made to sit in the corner ("time out") or lose some privileges (no recess or no treats) but we could never be spanked or hit. However I still followed the directions of my teachers because my parents taught me to. I respected my parents and they expected me to follow the authority of my teachers. If I didn't obey my teachers I would have been punished by both my teachers AND my parents.

Good teachers who can command respect from their students still play a big part in the education system, but I think that children should get their foundation from their parents.

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